if you believe jack welch, the former ceo of general electric, he said the chicago guys would do anything, accusing them of tampering with the numbers. the obama bipartisans feel this was a bare yes they needed to break, the 8%. there will be a report november 2nd, right before the election and we'll see what that report says. >> looking ahead this week, vice president joe biden and paul ryan debate. the stakes are higher. how do you expect them to do? >> there's a local factor to this, a congressman from montgomery county and parts of other places is playing paul ryan who he served with on the budget committee. ted olsen, a washington lawyer, former solicitor general is playing joe biden. you're right, there's going to be more attention now because this is the whole ticket. ryan is really not tested on a national stage. joe biden has been around forever, it seems. he has a reputation for sometimes saying the wrong thing. you saw in the package where he made the statement, the middle class has been buried. so i don't know which way this is going to go. but ryan, again, benefits from proba